On Saturday, April 11, 2009, at approximately 3 p.m., Brad Warner journeyed from Penuel Ridge to Pesquo, TN where he was interviewed by T.J. Kirby at the studios of WRFN. This is the entire audio of the interview; irrelevant parts of the show have been edited out.

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This is an interesting interview and discussion done as part of a regular podcast series by the Minnesota Atheists. The person interviewed is both a lifelong atheist and a dedicated student of Buddhism. While not specifically about Zen (he's Theravadan), his religion-free approach results in a very clear and direct explanation of what the practice is about.

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